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Le risque principal est, surtout si il y a association, une majoration du risque de syndrome serotoninergique.
Mais pourquoi vouloir faire ça ? Quand un AD est inefficace, le mieux est peut être d'envisager un switch...
D'accord c'est à surveiller, bah â 40mg de paroxetine je sens des effets mais y a pas de quoi creger le plafond alors qu'à 80mg l'année passée je ressentais une vrai desinhibition et un sentiment d'hyper-motivation, comme si rien ne pouvait me destabiliser !
Outre ce detail, j'ai l'impression de repondre seulement aux forte doses d'ISRS.
Dernière modification par wealldead (30 octobre 2014 à 09:21)
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salut wealldead,
un AD c'est pour te mettre dans un etat "dit normal" niveaux sentiments, sensations, ressentis....
la deshinibition peut en faire partie, mais ce n'est qu'une petite et une des premieres manifestations des AD.....ta tolerance a du jouer entre l'an dernier et cette année sans doute......
l'hyper motivation, je pense vraiment pas que ca soit avec un traitement AD que tu la trouveras, ca te donnera plus de courage pour faire les choses que tu as a faire, mais pas "hyper motivé" non plus......
mais peut etre que oui, ton metabolisme (comme le mien d'ailleurs) ne repond correctement qu'a de fortes doses d' ISRS ?
et ca, c'est a voir avec ton medecin......
soit de plus fortes doses, qui te conviennent, soit un switch avec un autre AD ?
amicalement,
snoop'
Oui mais le problème c'est que je fais de l'automédication n'ayant plus la CMU-C pour payer mes consultations, j'achete mes medocs avec la mutuelle de mon frère.
Du coup je demande les medocs à droite à gauche...
Mais je vais en parler à un generaliste concernant l'unique vrai reponse à des forteds doses !
À de fotes doses,(80mg) je t'assure que j'etais ultra motivé même sans l'association avec ritaline.
Hélas, je ne cherche même plus l'état normal, je ne sais même plus ce que je veux, je ne me sens pas la force d'affronter les gens...
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snoopy a écrit
salut wealldead,
un AD c'est pour te mettre dans un etat "dit normal" niveaux sentiments, sensations, ressentis....
la deshinibition peut en faire partie, mais ce n'est qu'une petite et une des premieres manifestations des AD.....ta tolerance a du jouer entre l'an dernier et cette année sans doute......
l'hyper motivation, je pense vraiment pas que ca soit avec un traitement AD que tu la trouveras, ca te donnera plus de courage pour faire les choses que tu as a faire, mais pas "hyper motivé" non plus......
mais peut etre que oui, ton metabolisme (comme le mien d'ailleurs) ne repond correctement qu'a de fortes doses d' ISRS ?
et ca, c'est a voir avec ton medecin......
soit de plus fortes doses, qui te conviennent, soit un switch avec un autre AD ?
amicalement,
snoop'
LE PROBLEME, c'est que justement je me sers des Ads pour tenter au contraire d'ere ++que normal. tchatcheur, ne pas begayer ou me pisser dessus à un rencard etc....
et c'est pour ca que je tente de le prendre à des doses faramineuses ;(
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Adverse effects[edit]
See also: List of adverse effects of paroxetine
Paroxetine shares many of the common adverse effects of SSRIs, including (with the corresponding rates seen in people treated with placebo in parentheses): nausea 26%(9%), diarrhoea 12% (8%), constipation 14% (9%), dry mouth 18% (12%), somnolence 23% (9%), insomnia 13% (6%), headache 18% (17%), hypomania 1% (0.3%), blurred vision 4%(1%), loss of appetite 6% (2%), nervousness 5% (3%), paraesthesia 4% (2%), dizziness 13% (6%), asthenia (weakness; 15% (6%)), tremor 8% (2%), sweating 11% (2%) and sexual dysfunction (≥10% incidence).[4] Most of these adverse effects are transient and go away with continued treatment. Central and peripheral 5-HT3 receptor stimulation is believed to result in the gastrointestinal effects observed with SSRI treatment.[31] Compared to other SSRIs it has a lower incidence of diarrhoea, a higher incidence of anticholinergic effects (e.g. dry mouth, constipation, blurred vision, etc.), sedation/somnolence/drowsiness, sexual side effects and weight gain.[32]
Due to reports of adverse withdrawal reactions upon terminating treatment, CHMP recommends to reduce gradually over several weeks or months if the decision to withdraw is made.[33] See also Discontinuation syndrome (withdrawal).
Mania or hypomania may occur in 1% of patients with depression and up to 12% of patients with bipolar disorder. [34]This side effect can occur in individuals with no history of mania but it may be more likely to occur in those with bipolar or with a family history of mania.[35]
Suicide[edit]
Paroxetine may increase the risk of suicidal ideation and suicidal behaviour in children and adolescents. Because suicide is rare, it is difficult to test its relationship with the use of paroxetine. Some studies instead analyze suicidality, which generally refers to suicidal ideation and suicidal behaviour. The FDA conducted a statistical analysis of paroxetine clinical trials in children and adolescents in 2004, finding an increase in "suicidality" and ideation as compared to placebo; the trend for increased "suicidality" was observed in both trials for depression and for anxiety disorders.[36]
Discontinuation syndrome[edit]
See also: SSRI discontinuation syndrome
Many psychoactive medications can cause withdrawal symptoms upon discontinuation from administration. Evidence has shown that paroxetine has among the highest incidence rates and severity of withdrawal syndrome of any medication of its class.[37] Common withdrawal symptoms for paroxetine include nausea, dizziness, lightheadedness and vertigo; insomnia, nightmares and vivid dreams; feelings of electricity in the body, as well as crying and anxiety.[38][39] Liquid formulation of paroxetine is available and allows a very gradual decrease of the dose, which may prevent discontinuation syndrome. Another recommendation is to temporarily switch to fluoxetine, which has a longer half-life and thus decreases the severity of discontinuation syndrome.[9][40][41]
In addition, The Lancet published an analysis of World Health Organization data showing SSRIs taken during pregnancy may cause withdrawal symptoms, including convulsions, in newborn children: among "93 suspected cases of SSRI-induced neonatal withdrawal syndrome...64 were associated with paroxetine, 14 with fluoxetine, nine with sertraline, and seven with citalopram."[42]
Overdose[edit]
Acute overdosage is often manifested by emesis, lethargy, ataxia, tachycardia and seizures. Plasma, serum or blood concentrations of paroxetine may be measured to monitor therapeutic administration, confirm a diagnosis of poisoning in hospitalized patients or to aid in the medicolegal investigation of fatalities. Plasma paroxetine concentrations are generally in a range of 40–400 µg/L in persons receiving daily therapeutic doses and 200–2000 µg/L in poisoned patients. Postmortem blood levels have ranged from 1–4 mg/L in acute lethal overdose situations.[43][44] It is usually considered, along with the other SSRIs, sertraline and fluoxetine to be a low-risk drug in cases of overdose.[45]
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Déjà qu'à doses thérapeutiques ya une chiée d'effets secondaires courants... sans compter des effets secondaires ... "rares" qui pourraient avoir été occultés par les détenteurs du brevet selon certaines associations de patients aux states...
Je crois que même en état de grande souffrance psychologique, je m'interdirais cette molécule.
Pas d'infos "mdicales", juste le wikipedia qui offre des pistes :Adverse effects[edit]
See also: List of adverse effects of paroxetine
Paroxetine shares many of the common adverse effects of SSRIs, including (with the corresponding rates seen in people treated with placebo in parentheses): nausea 26%(9%), diarrhoea 12% (8%), constipation 14% (9%), dry mouth 18% (12%), somnolence 23% (9%), insomnia 13% (6%), headache 18% (17%), hypomania 1% (0.3%), blurred vision 4%(1%), loss of appetite 6% (2%), nervousness 5% (3%), paraesthesia 4% (2%), dizziness 13% (6%), asthenia (weakness; 15% (6%)), tremor 8% (2%), sweating 11% (2%) and sexual dysfunction (≥10% incidence).[4] Most of these adverse effects are transient and go away with continued treatment. Central and peripheral 5-HT3 receptor stimulation is believed to result in the gastrointestinal effects observed with SSRI treatment.[31] Compared to other SSRIs it has a lower incidence of diarrhoea, a higher incidence of anticholinergic effects (e.g. dry mouth, constipation, blurred vision, etc.), sedation/somnolence/drowsiness, sexual side effects and weight gain.[32]
Due to reports of adverse withdrawal reactions upon terminating treatment, CHMP recommends to reduce gradually over several weeks or months if the decision to withdraw is made.[33] See also Discontinuation syndrome (withdrawal).
Mania or hypomania may occur in 1% of patients with depression and up to 12% of patients with bipolar disorder. [34]This side effect can occur in individuals with no history of mania but it may be more likely to occur in those with bipolar or with a family history of mania.[35]
Suicide[edit]
Paroxetine may increase the risk of suicidal ideation and suicidal behaviour in children and adolescents. Because suicide is rare, it is difficult to test its relationship with the use of paroxetine. Some studies instead analyze suicidality, which generally refers to suicidal ideation and suicidal behaviour. The FDA conducted a statistical analysis of paroxetine clinical trials in children and adolescents in 2004, finding an increase in "suicidality" and ideation as compared to placebo; the trend for increased "suicidality" was observed in both trials for depression and for anxiety disorders.[36]
Discontinuation syndrome[edit]
See also: SSRI discontinuation syndrome
Many psychoactive medications can cause withdrawal symptoms upon discontinuation from administration. Evidence has shown that paroxetine has among the highest incidence rates and severity of withdrawal syndrome of any medication of its class.[37] Common withdrawal symptoms for paroxetine include nausea, dizziness, lightheadedness and vertigo; insomnia, nightmares and vivid dreams; feelings of electricity in the body, as well as crying and anxiety.[38][39] Liquid formulation of paroxetine is available and allows a very gradual decrease of the dose, which may prevent discontinuation syndrome. Another recommendation is to temporarily switch to fluoxetine, which has a longer half-life and thus decreases the severity of discontinuation syndrome.[9][40][41]
In addition, The Lancet published an analysis of World Health Organization data showing SSRIs taken during pregnancy may cause withdrawal symptoms, including convulsions, in newborn children: among "93 suspected cases of SSRI-induced neonatal withdrawal syndrome...64 were associated with paroxetine, 14 with fluoxetine, nine with sertraline, and seven with citalopram."[42]
Overdose[edit]
Acute overdosage is often manifested by emesis, lethargy, ataxia, tachycardia and seizures. Plasma, serum or blood concentrations of paroxetine may be measured to monitor therapeutic administration, confirm a diagnosis of poisoning in hospitalized patients or to aid in the medicolegal investigation of fatalities. Plasma paroxetine concentrations are generally in a range of 40–400 µg/L in persons receiving daily therapeutic doses and 200–2000 µg/L in poisoned patients. Postmortem blood levels have ranged from 1–4 mg/L in acute lethal overdose situations.[43][44] It is usually considered, along with the other SSRIs, sertraline and fluoxetine to be a low-risk drug in cases of overdose.[45]
Le problème c'est qu'il calmait mes peurs et me desinhibait, pour affronter mes peurs et blocages objectivement.
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Polo187 a écrit
En tout cas pour moi je ne sais pas si c'est le deroxat ou l'abilify mais depuis que j'ai ce traitement je ne fais plus aucune crise d'angoisse, plutot efficace pour moi, mais de la a le surdonsé je ne sais pas trop, je le conseillerai pas, et j'en percoi pas l'intéret avec un AD de forcé la dose.
Ca m'intéresse abilify étant un anti psychotique de seconde gen comme le lithium, il est possible que ca vienne de l'abilify, lequel des deux as tu commencé en premier ? As tu des effets secondaires sexuels super génants ?
Merci
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